{"id":8792,"date":"2013-04-25T07:55:36","date_gmt":"2013-04-25T14:55:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/?p=8792"},"modified":"2014-01-11T08:25:13","modified_gmt":"2014-01-11T15:25:13","slug":"4-otazka-proc-je-otec-vetsi-nez-jezis-jan-1428","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/4-otazka-proc-je-otec-vetsi-nez-jezis-jan-1428\/","title":{"rendered":"4. OT\u00c1ZKA: Pro\u010d je otec \u201ev\u011bt\u0161\u00ed\u201c ne\u017e Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161\u2014Jan 14:28?"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"ccjw-en-ad\"<\/a><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong>K\u0158ES\u0164ANSK\u00c9 ROZHOVORY SE SV\u011aDKY JEHOVOV\u00ddMI<\/a>
\n \u2013 Biblick\u00e9 odpov\u011bdi na ot\u00e1zky sv\u011bdk\u016f Jehovov\u00fdch<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

(CONB LEKCE 11: \u201eN\u00e1zory a zvyky, kter\u00e9 se Bohu nel\u00edb\u00ed\u201c)<\/p>\n

Jestli\u017ee je Trojice biblick\u00fdm u\u010den\u00edm, pro\u010d potom Bible u\u010d\u00ed, \u017ee je Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 pod\u0159\u00edzen Bohu? Je v\u00a0Bibli jedin\u00fd ver\u0161, kter\u00fd by dokazoval Trojici?<\/em><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Karen, minul\u00fd t\u00fdden jsme p\u0159i studiu bro\u017eury Str\u00e1\u017en\u00e9 v\u011b\u017ee s\u00a0n\u00e1zvem Co od n\u00e1s B\u016fh vy\u017eaduje? <\/em>za\u010daly \u010d\u00edst o \u201eN\u00e1zorech a zvyc\u00edch, kter\u00e9 se Bohu nel\u00edb\u00ed,\u201d <\/a>1.<\/a><\/span><\/span> a ty jsi se zm\u00ednila, \u017ee v\u011b\u0159\u00ed\u0161, \u017ee u\u010den\u00ed o Trojici je biblick\u00e9, i kdy\u017e se s\u00a0n\u011b\u010d\u00edm podobn\u00fdm m\u016f\u017eeme setkat v\u00a0pohansk\u00e9m n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00ed.<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Jo, Cindy.\u00a0 P\u0159i na\u0161em studiu jsme \u010detly i ze strany 11 v\u00a0bro\u017eu\u0159e Str\u00e1\u017en\u00e9 v\u011b\u017ee s\u00a0n\u00e1zvem M\u011bl bys v\u011b\u0159it v Trojici?,<\/em> a zjistily jsme, \u017ee hodn\u011b <\/strong>pramen\u016f, kter\u00e9 Spole\u010dnost cituje, aby dok\u00e1zala, \u017ee je u\u010den\u00ed o Trojici p\u0159evzato z\u00a0pohanstv\u00ed, vlastn\u011b u\u010d\u00ed, \u017ee bibli\u010dt\u00ed pisatel\u00e9 vkl\u00e1dali do Bible pohansk\u00e9 nauky. Tyhle prameny tvrd\u00ed, \u017ee k\u0159es\u0165anstv\u00ed p\u0159ijalo pohanstv\u00ed za vlastn\u00ed proto, \u017ee Bible <\/strong>je pohansk\u00e1. Zeptala jsem se, \u017ee kdy\u017e se Str\u00e1\u017en\u00e1 v\u011b\u017e mus\u00ed uchylovat ke knih\u00e1m, kter\u00e9 u\u010d\u00ed, \u017ee je Bible zdrojem pohanstv\u00ed, aby dok\u00e1zala sv\u016fj n\u00e1zor, \u017ee je u\u010den\u00ed o Trojici pohansk\u00e9, jak m\u016f\u017eeme v\u011b\u0159it jak\u00e9koli jin\u00e9 jejich literatu\u0159e ohledn\u011b \u00fadajn\u00e9ho pohansk\u00e9ho u\u010den\u00ed v k\u0159es\u0165anstv\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Karen, o tom jsme si p\u011bkn\u011b popov\u00eddaly, ale nedostaly jsme se k\u00a0jedn\u00e9 v\u011bci, a to k\u00a0tomu, \u017ee Bible u\u010d\u00ed, \u017ee je Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 pod\u0159\u00edzen Bohu. Jestli\u017ee je Jehova opravdu Trojice, t\u0159i osoby v\u00a0jednom Bohu, pro\u010d Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 \u0159ekl, \u017ee Otec je v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e on?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Cindy, kdy\u017e jsi vyr\u016fstala, byl ve va\u0161\u00ed rodin\u011b n\u011bkdo, kdo by m\u011bl stejnou autoritu jako tv\u016fj otec?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Ne.\u00a0 M\u016fj otec m\u011bl na starosti veden\u00ed rodiny. A tak se v\u0161ichni \u0159\u00eddili pravidly a vod\u00edtky, kter\u00e1 zavedl.<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>A co tv\u016fj br\u00e1cha? \u0158\u00eddil se t\u011bmi pravidly?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Samo, \u017ee jo. Ale kam m\u00ed\u0159\u00ed\u0161, Karen?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Dokazuje, \u017ee m\u011bl tv\u016fj otec v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed autoritu vzhledem k\u00a0tv\u00e9mu br\u00e1chovi, \u017ee tv\u016fj br\u00e1cha (jeho syn) mu byl pod\u0159\u00edzen? Pokud jo, budeme argumentovat, \u017ee tv\u016fj br\u00e1cha je ni\u017e\u0161\u00edm \u010dlov\u011bkem ne\u017e tv\u016fj otec, proto\u017ee poslouchal otcova pravidla?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Samo, \u017ee ne, Karen.<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Pro\u010d potom Spole\u010dnost Str\u00e1\u017en\u00e1 v\u011b\u017e argumentuje, \u017ee je Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 jako\u017eto Bo\u017e\u00ed Syn ni\u017e\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e Otec jenom proto, \u017ee \u201eje pod\u0159\u00edzen\u00fd Bohu\u201c a poslouch\u00e1 jeho pravidla?<\/a>2.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0 To, \u017ee n\u011bkdo m\u00e1 v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed autoritu, z\u00a0n\u011bj ned\u011bl\u00e1 ve sv\u00e9 podstat\u011b n\u011bkoho lep\u0161\u00edho, vi\u010f? V Luk\u00e1\u0161i 2:51 Bible \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, \u017ee se Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 pod\u0159izoval Marii a Josefovi. Znamen\u00e1 to snad, \u017ee byl ni\u017e\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e oni?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>To p\u0159ece ne, Karen.\u00a0 To je dobr\u00e1 n\u00e1mitka. Ale jak m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 Bohem, kdy\u017e \u0159ekl, \u017ee jeho Otec je \u201ejedin\u00fd prav\u00fd B\u016fh\u201d?\u00a0 Jestli je Trojice, t\u0159i osoby v\u00a0jednom Bohu, biblick\u00e1, pro\u010d potom nikde v\u00a0Bibli nen\u00ed slovo <\/strong>\u201eTrojice\u201c?<\/a>3.<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Cindy, v\u011b\u0159\u00ed\u0161, \u017ee nov\u00fdm syst\u00e9mem v\u011bc\u00ed bude \u201eteokracie,\u201c ve kter\u00e9 bude B\u016fh Jehova vl\u00e1dnout sv\u011btu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Jo.<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Jestli\u017ee fakt, \u017ee nikde v Bibli nen\u00ed slovo <\/strong>\u201eTrojice,\u201c dokazuje, \u017ee to nen\u00ed biblick\u00e9 u\u010den\u00ed, m\u00e1me argumentovat, \u017ee my\u0161lenka o teokracii, ve kter\u00e9 B\u016fh vl\u00e1dne lidstvu, nen\u00ed biblick\u00e1 jen proto, \u017ee slovo <\/strong>\u201eteokracie\u201c v\u00a0Bibli nen\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>To ne, Karen.\u00a0 Ale kde je v\u00a0Bibli my\u0161lenka <\/strong>o Trojici? M\u016f\u017ee\u0161 mi uk\u00e1zat jedin\u00fd <\/strong>ver\u0161, kter\u00fd dokazuje Trojici?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>M\u016f\u017eu, Cindy! P\u0159e\u010dte\u0161 Jan 1:3 ze sv\u00e9 Bible?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>\u201eV\u0161echno za\u010dalo existovat skrze n\u011bho a bez n\u011bho neza\u010dala existovat ani jedin\u00e1 v\u011bc.\u201d<\/a>4.<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>O kom tenhle ver\u0161 mluv\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Mluv\u00ed o Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161i a o tom, jak byl \u201es Bohem\u201c na po\u010d\u00e1tku stvo\u0159en\u00ed sv\u011bta.<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Spr\u00e1vn\u011b, Cindy.\u00a0 Nakresleme si to do tabulky. Tady v prav\u00e9m sloupci vyjmenujme v\u011bci, kter\u00e9 byly stvo\u0159eny \u201eskrze\u201c Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161e, a do lev\u00e9ho nap\u00ed\u0161eme v\u011bci, kter\u00e9 nebyly <\/strong>stvo\u0159eny, proto\u017ee v\u017edycky existovaly. Tak teda, kter\u00e9 v\u011bci byly stvo\u0159eny?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>No, v\u00a0podstat\u011b v\u0161echno\u2026zem\u011b, hv\u011bzdy, rostliny, zv\u00ed\u0159ata, lid\u00e9\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Pat\u0159\u00ed and\u011bl\u00e9 do t\u00e9 kategorie v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 byly stvo\u0159eny skrze Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161e?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Ti ano, Karen!\u00a0 And\u011bl\u00e9 tam pat\u0159\u00ed.<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>OK. A te\u010f p\u0159ejd\u011bme do druh\u00e9ho sloupce, na seznam v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 nikdy nebyly stvo\u0159eny, proto\u017ee v\u017edycky existovaly.<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Jehova je v\u011b\u010dn\u00fd. Ten nikdy nebyl stvo\u0159en.<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>OK. Tak teda napi\u0161me \u201eOtec\u201c do t\u00e9 kategorie v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 v\u017edycky existovaly. A co Duch svat\u00fd? Byl Bo\u017e\u00ed Duch stvo\u0159en?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Ne.\u00a0 Bo\u017e\u00ed Duch je stejn\u011b v\u011b\u010dn\u00fd jako Jehova.<\/a>5.<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Tak\u017ee tu m\u00e1me Otce a Ducha svat\u00e9ho. A te\u010f, Cindy, kam um\u00edst\u00edme Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161e? Jan 1:3 \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, \u017ee \u201eV\u0161echno za\u010dalo existovat\u201d skrze Krista a \u017ee \u201eani jedin\u00e1 v\u011bc,<\/strong>\u201d kter\u00e1 byla stvo\u0159ena, nebyla stvo\u0159ena \u201ebez<\/strong>\u201c n\u011bho.\u00a0 Tak kam bysme m\u011bly um\u00edstit Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161e? Jestli je jednou z\u00a0t\u011bch bytost\u00ed, kter\u00e9 byly stvo\u0159eny, musely bysme ho um\u00edstit do kategorie v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 byly stvo\u0159eny skrze Krista. D\u00e1v\u00e1 ti to smysl? Jak by mohl Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 stvo\u0159it s\u00e1m sebe?<\/strong><\/p>\n

CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Asi m\u00e1\u0161 pravdu, Karen.\u00a0 To ned\u00e1v\u00e1 smysl. Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 nemohl stvo\u0159it s\u00e1m sebe.<\/strong><\/p>\n

KAREN:\u00a0 <\/strong>Tak vid\u00ed\u0161, Cindy, mus\u00edme d\u00e1t Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161e do kategorie v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 nebyly nikdy stvo\u0159en\u00e9, proto\u017ee v\u017edycky existovaly, a pod\u00edvej, co n\u00e1m vy\u0161lo. Otec, Syn a Duch svat\u00fd\u2014ti v\u0161ichni maj\u00ed v\u011b\u010dnou podstatu jedin\u00e9ho prav\u00e9ho Boha. Vid\u00ed\u0161, \u017ee p\u0159esto, \u017ee v\u00a0Bibli nen\u00ed slovo <\/strong>\u201eTrojice,\u201c je to biblick\u00e1 my\u0161lenka<\/strong>?\u00a0\u00a0 V\u00a0Bibli je Otec nazv\u00e1n \u201eBohem,\u201c<\/a>6.<\/a><\/span><\/span> Syn je nazv\u00e1n \u201eBohem\u201c<\/a>7.<\/a><\/span><\/span> a Duch svat\u00fd je nazv\u00e1n \u201eBohem.\u201c<\/a>8.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0 A p\u0159ece Bible hodn\u011b jasn\u011b \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, \u017ee existuje jen jeden<\/strong> prav\u00fd B\u016fh. Vid\u00ed\u0161, pro\u010d k\u0159es\u0165an\u00e9 po celou svou historii vyzn\u00e1vaj\u00ed monoteismus ve form\u011b Trojice?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KOMENT\u00c1\u0158:<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u0159\u00e1tel\u00e9, jak zjistila Cindy, jen proto, \u017ee slovo <\/strong>\u201eTrojice\u201c se v\u00a0Bibli nevyskytuje, nen\u00ed to d\u016fkazem, \u017ee se nejedn\u00e1 o biblick\u00e9 u\u010den\u00ed. V Matou\u0161i 28:19 Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 \u0159ekl: \u201eProto jd\u011bte. Z\u00edsk\u00e1vejte u\u010dedn\u00edky\u2026k\u0159t\u011bte je ve jm\u00e9nu Otce <\/strong>i Syna <\/strong>i Ducha svat\u00e9ho<\/strong>.\u2026\u201d<\/a>9.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0 Pov\u0161imn\u011bte si, \u017ee v\u00a0tomto ver\u0161i je plur\u00e1l jednoty vyj\u00e1d\u0159en t\u00edm, \u017ee slovo \u201ejm\u00e9no\u201c je v\u00a0jednotn\u00e9m \u010d\u00edsle.<\/em><\/p>\n

U\u010den\u00ed o Trojici nen\u00ed Modalismem, toti\u017e n\u00e1zorem, \u017ee Otec, Syn a Duch svat\u00fd jsou v\u0161ichni jednou Osobou; ani <\/strong>to nen\u00ed Triteismus, tj. n\u00e1zor, \u017ee Otec, Syn a Duch svat\u00fd jsou t\u0159i odd\u011blen\u00ed Bohov\u00e9. Ka\u017ed\u00fd \u010dlen je odli\u0161n\u00fd ve sv\u00e9 osobnosti, a p\u0159esto dohromady tvo\u0159\u00ed jednoho Boha. \u010cili, jak je uvedeno v\u00a0definici Trojice v Athanasiov\u011b vyzn\u00e1n\u00ed: \u201eBez m\u00ed\u0161en\u00ed osob a bez <\/strong>rozlu\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed podstaty\u2026a p\u0159ece nejsou t\u0159i Bohov\u00e9, n\u00fdbr\u017e jeden jest B\u016fh.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

\"bullets\"<\/strong><\/strong>\u00a0Dal\u0161\u00ed kapitola<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n

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<\/a>1.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0Co od n\u00e1s B\u016fh vy\u017eaduje?, <\/em>1996, str. 22-23<\/p>\n

<\/a>2.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0Co od n\u00e1s B\u016fh vy\u017eaduje?,<\/em> str. 22:2<\/p>\n

<\/a>3.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0Pozn\u00e1n\u00ed, kter\u00e9 vede k\u00a0v\u011b\u010dn\u00e9mu \u017eivotu,<\/em> 1995,str. 31<\/p>\n

<\/a>4.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0P\u0159eklad nov\u00e9ho sv\u011bta<\/em><\/p>\n

<\/a>5.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0Viz Hebrejc\u016fm 9:14<\/p>\n

<\/a>6.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0Viz 1 Petr 1:2; Filipan\u016fm 2:11<\/p>\n

<\/a>7.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0Viz Jan 1:1 20:28; Hebrejc\u016fm 1:8; 2 Petr 1:1; Titus 2:13<\/p>\n

<\/a>8.<\/a><\/span><\/span>\u00a0Viz Skutky 5:3-4; 1 Korin\u0165an\u016fm 3:16-17<\/p>\n

<\/a>9.<\/a><\/span><\/span> Bible 21<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

K\u0158ES\u0164ANSK\u00c9 ROZHOVORY SE SV\u011aDKY JEHOVOV\u00ddMI \u2013 Biblick\u00e9 odpov\u011bdi na ot\u00e1zky sv\u011bdk\u016f Jehovov\u00fdch (CONB LEKCE 11: \u201eN\u00e1zory a zvyky, kter\u00e9 se Bohu nel\u00edb\u00ed\u201c) Jestli\u017ee je Trojice biblick\u00fdm u\u010den\u00edm, pro\u010d potom Bible u\u010d\u00ed, \u017ee je Je\u017e\u00ed\u0161 pod\u0159\u00edzen Bohu? Je v\u00a0Bibli jedin\u00fd ver\u0161, kter\u00fd by dokazoval Trojici? CINDY:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Karen, minul\u00fd t\u00fdden jsme p\u0159i studiu bro\u017eury Str\u00e1\u017en\u00e9 v\u011b\u017ee s\u00a0n\u00e1zvem…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[80,82],"tags":[280,259,273],"class_list":["post-8792","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-krestanske-rozhovory","category-sekce2","tag-co-od-nas-buh-vyzaduje","tag-jezis-kristus","tag-trojice","wpcat-80-id","wpcat-82-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8792","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8792"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8792\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11966,"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8792\/revisions\/11966"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8792"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8792"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.4jehovah.org\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8792"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}